good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." we start with breaking news. cuban leader fidel castro has died at the age of 90. his brother, raul castro announced his death last nights on state television. he was the third longest serving head of state leading cuba for five decades after taking power in the revolution. cuba became a single party state and the only communist government in the western hemisphere. he outlasted nine american presidents before he stepped down in 2008. over the years, castro defied multiple attempts s ts to remo from power, the first of which was the u.s. backed bay of pigs
invasion in 1961. among the american people, castro inspired devotion and contempt. his supporters saw him as social justice icon who brought free education and healthcare for all cuban citizens and his critics reviolated him as a dictator consumed with power and drove his country to economic neglect. >> last night, thousands took to the streets to celebrate castro's death in little havana. it was welcomed among the community of cuban exiles who fled the country after castro took power. from the white house, this statement for nearly six decad s s between the united states and cuba marked by discord and profound disagreements. during my presidency we worked hard to put the past behind us pursuing a future in which the relationship between our two countries are defined not by our differences but among the many things as neighbors and friends.
bonds of family, culture and humanity and includes cuban americans who care so much for our country and care deeply for their loved ones in cuba. we offer our condolences to castro's family. they will recall the past and also look to the future. as they do, the cuban people must know they have a friend and partner in the united states of america. now to kerry sanders in miami where the celebration is still going on. let's talk about what you're hearing there. what you're seeing there is jubilation but you and i have lived in south florida. it is jubilation and relief for those who fled cuba. what are you hearing? >> reporter: there is the cha chanting of liberty and liberty. this is a symbolic moment for
folks walking down the center of little havana, walking with a cuban flag chanting. they recognize fidel castro has not been in power for years now but his brother, ralph castro has been in charge. they see this symbolically as a shift they have been waiting for a long time. i will walk around and get cloert closer to the other side as they chant and try to talk to some people as we're walking along here. one of the folks here is a political prisoner. how do you feel right now? >> i feel very good. >> what is the future for cuba, your country? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: there's many cuban, men and women in cuba who are still figing t ing thing the f e hopes and believes. you can see since 2:00 this morning, people have been
gathering on 8th street, walking, gathering, excited. the truth is when you look at the bigger picture, his death, while symbolic, will be unlikely to change much on the island. his brother, raul castro who has been in charge for a while does not have the charisma fidel castro had and to understand why the folks out here why they feel they would celebrate the death of a head of state, it has everything to do with the fact that when fidel castro came to power in 1959 and communism took over, they nationalized everything. if you owned a house, the government took your house. if you owned a farm or factory, the government took that. when everything was nation nationalized, people lost heritage and lost belongings and lost in many ways their ident y identities on the island. some people were placed in prison. others taken to firing squads and some torture ed and eventuay
many got out. in the early days of fidel castro's rule in the country were the peter pan flights where parents would take their children to the airport and hope they would reunite with them placing them on airplanes. catholic families took care of them and then we have the mariel both lifts in the 1980s and under president bill clinton's administration so many people trying to escape the island by raft. the immigration policy is favorable if a cuban can make to it the u.s. soil, called wet foot-dry foot, if they can make one footprint on u.s. soil a year later they are here permanently. i will bring you back around
here, one more time. you can see part of the street has emptied. i'm sure it will fill quite a bit more in the next hours and by tonight i imagine the streets will be closed for some time. >> kerry, as you walk around there, all those places very familiar to me, i think about versailles being a very interesting place to be this morning to get conversations with cuban americans. i'm thinking back, many americans may remember the elyangelia elian gone z--onzale saga. do they believe raul castro will continue albeit without the fidel castro leadership? >> reporter: you get mixed reactions. some people believe at the end of the day, it will be symbolic
and not that much. they make a point saying fidel castro was the leader, the one that mobilized the people and led them and raul castro has not been like that and will not be like that. there are pieces missing. one gentleman said it best, while we're celebrating in miami, at the end of the day, it will be the cuban, men and women on the island that will determine the future of the island. folks who have left especially in early '60s are unlikely to return, even if they have that opportunity to do so. >> kerry sanders, invaluable repo reporting. appreciate you coming to us today from miami. thank you. now, i want to turn to ron allen at the white house. president obama opened the door to normalized relations with cuba. let's talk about what the death of fidel castro means for the ongoing relationship. >> i think what matters more to the ongoing relationship is not
just the death of fidel castro but what raul castro who has been in power since 2006 decides to do and what president-elect trump decides to do when he arrives at the white house. a lot of what the president decides to do in cuba is based on executive action and changing regulations, things reversed by a new president. what the white house is counting on there will be so many relationships established between people and businesses, there will be a lot of pressure on mr. trump to reverse that. these established relationships will be positive in the president's view and therefore difficult to untangle. a lot depends on changes made by the cuban government that have not happened, like allowing private businesses to flourish there and like opening up the internet and providing flow of information. there's a long way to go and other issue of human rights,
other political discourse, freedom and where they feel there has not been enough progress made to essentially reward the cubans, as they site. we've heard a lot of hard line rhetoric during the campaign how he wants a better deal with the cub cubans, how this deal, the various executive orders and normalization benefit the cuban government and not the american people and america. it remains to be seen exactly what mr. trump will do. for his part, president obama will continue pushing this dung the final days he has lefthere. his statement today interesti interestingly says he is mindful of the powerful emotions surrounding the death of fidel castro. he says history not him will judge the impact of this figure. perhaps the most important line of this statement is how the president continues to emphasize during his presidency we have worked hard to put the past behind us and try and move
forward. he feels so many decades of isolation have not in fact wo worked to try and change the regime. engagement, he say, is what he thinks change will happen and the question is how fast will that come and will it happen and will donald trump continue to pursue this path which he seems not inclined to. >> nbc's ron allen at the white house. appreciate it. let's go to kristen welker in palm beach where donald trump is spending the weekend. we saw donald trump took to twitter, whipped out his android phone and made a four-word statement. will we see more than those four wo words? >> i would be surprised if we didn't get a broader reaction. i've been reaching out since the news broke overnight. let me show what donald trump wrote on twitter, fidel castro is dead. to pick up on what ron said. as a candidate, donald trump said he would reverse all those
actions president obama took. ron is right, they were executive actions. but the problem is you have flights that started between these two countries. all of that is significant and difficult to unwind. will he? that's the big question mark. take a listen to what he had to say back in september on the campaign trail. >> with all of the concessions that barack obama has granted the castro regime were done through executive order which means the next president can reverse them. that, i will do, unless the castro regime meets our demands. those demands will include religious and political freedom for the cuban people and the freeing of political prisoners.
>> reporter: so those are the terms he laid out in september. we're getting reaction from capitol hill as well. let me read you this from marco rubio the florida senator who wrote, fidel castro promised freedom to cuba but his communist regime turned the island into a prison. fidel castro's death cannot bring back his thousands of victims nor can it bring comfort to their families. today, we honor them and the brave souls against the communist dictatorship he imposed on cuba. what is president-elect donald trump going to do? that's the answer we're trying to get. it might not come today. what we have seen is this president moderate himself on key issues. that's another one. >> if you get a chance to talk with donald trump today, i would be very interest dollars to know if his personal history in terms
of his own dealings with cuba. there was a story that came out about a month ago donald trump himself possibly violating the embargo against cuba, seeking business there. he does have this pecuniary business to build hotels on the island and might that change his views once fidel castro is gone. i'd love to know the answer to that question. >> reporter: joy, you might remember when that piece came out, that was one of the reports the clinton campaign seized upon. they thought it would gain a lot of traction. it did gain traction a couple of days and made a lot of people, hey, could it help secretary clinton in a state like florida. ultima ultimately, donald trump wound up winning this state. those are the top questions we're asking. >> thank you very much.
joining me now on the phone is republican congressman, carlos curbelo. thank you for being here. i want to get your reaction to donald trump's four word reaction to the death of fidel castro and your own reaction. >> joy, good morning. it's definitely a historic day in south florida. a lot of emotions in this community. many of us are thinking of our ri rift s relati relatives, many who closed their eyes hoping that would see this day come and never were able. i'll give you my reaction to both mr. trump and mr. obama's stateme statements. i think they're both incomplete to a degree. what i would like to hear from all of our leaders, i think what everyone needs to be saying today the united states really now needs to put the pressure on raul castro and the cuban government to initiate those reforms that are really going to
lead to human rights and to democracy in cuba. that is what we want for the cuban people, the same rights and freedoms we have here that the dignity of cuban people are respected and held and this gives the opposition leaders a lot of momentum, a lot of strength. fidel castro was a massive psychological weight on the cubans' psyche, cuban opposition leaders. that is lifted today. again, we need to be on the right side of history here and stand with the victims, not with the oppressors. >> i want to get your reaction, sir, as a member of congress, to the statement by the canadian prime minister, justin trudeau. he said fidel castro was larger than life leader who served his people more than half a century. he made circuit improvements to
education and healthcare on his island nation, while a controversial figure, both the detractors and supporters recognize his lasting affection for the people. that stroke a lot in social media as being off key. what do you think of that? >> it's appalling and regrettable, the reason why the dictatorship has been in power so many years. the lack of solidarity. to call castro a controversial figure is quite generous. fidel castro murdered thousands of people. they were executed. summary trials, no due process. fidel castro imprisoned tens of thousands of people. that is still happening in cuba today. fidel castro had nuclear miss sti sills installed in cuba and pointed them at the united states. urged nikita cru seseth to use
those missiles. he ruined millions of lives, tortured people, put people in concentration camps because they were gay. this was not a good person by any definition. it's shameful that world leaders, leaders of democratic nations where people have human rights, where people can live and express themselves freely, lack the courage and the honesty to tell the truth about fidel castro and his entire revolution and, of course, that includes his brother, who continues re reining over cuba with an iron fist. >> one final question to you, sir. you mentioned the lack of world solidarity around the issue of fidel castro. that is true. the united states maintained this embargo of one that the rest of the world didn't join
in. it didn't topple him. he lasted nine presidents. do you think that psychological weight kerry sanders reported from miami, there might be a chance congress might be willing to rethink the cuban adjustment act and allow more social action that isolating cuba hasn't worked and engagement including economic engagement might work better. what do you think? >> joy, what we're not going to do is continue the policy of unilateral concessions president obama launched in 200414. dialogue is okay and concession is okay. what is not okay is to reward the brutal regime and put stability in cuba over the
democracy of human dignity, over respect for human rights. this cuban regime, after two years of concession after concession from the obama administration, continues opp e opposing american interests all over the world. they continue contributing to all of the death, destruction and chaos in venezuela. they continue supporting anti-american governments all over the world. they have one of the most sophisticated spy networks in the united states. we need to demand the cuban government change, they stop hurting american interests throughout the world and also that they stop hurting, abusing and beating their own people. that is what our policy can be based upon. we can talk and have concessions but it can't be a one-way street. that's what we've seen the last two years. this new administration and congress will hold the cuban government accountable. >> congressman curbelo, i hope if you get a chance to speak to donald trump, you will ask him
about his previous attempts to do business in cuba was lifted whether his personal policy will line up with your own. we'd like to have you back on the show. >> happy to be back any time, joy. what we will tell mr. trump and any who wants to listen is to put american interests and the interests of the cuban people first in any u.s. policy. >> thank you, carlos curbelo in miami. appreciate it. we will have more on the death of fidel castro in the show. next, the latest on donald trump's cabinet. stay with us.
the election. for secretary of state, mitt romney might be a candidate for the job. and it's said he would have to formally apologize and some are pushing for rudy guiliani. the only ones filled so far, alabama senator, jefferson session, tapped for army general and retired general mike flynn for national security advisor and -- and sessions was said to have made racist remarks which he denies. an advocate for steering money away from public schools and getting vouchers to go to religious schools. d davos has no experience in the
classroom. that should work out. >> now, we have these people with us. thank you all. happy saturday. i know the fidel castro news is the thing weighing on most people. i want to go around and get everyone's take on this guiliani versus romney situation. david, from the idea that romney would first have to humiliate himself and give public apology and prostrate himself before donald trump to get the job, i'm wondering why somebody a realist and russian realist would even want the job. >> we are only hearing this from camp trump. the romney side has been very quiet. you need to absorb this news with skepticism. a lot of people in trump world are nervous an want to block him
for the interests you mention. they want to get close to russia and some for public and some private reasons may not be disclosed. general flynn was taking money from rttv even while accepting classified security briefings. team trump has a lot to say, team romney, very quiet. >> one of the people not being quiet, mark, is kellyanne conway, who is said to be on the team guiliani side. they seem to be on the side of rewarding the faithfulness of guiliani of the sexual scandals and allegations of grabbing women's private parts. they want to reward him for that and the camp of mike pence wants a pence ally for secretary of state. what do you make of all of this given the fact you have this new development in cuba. >> it is a huge concern, should be a huge concern for the
president-elect. behind the scenes, of course, people will angle for the jobs. to be put out like this by the supporter, supposed staffers, not a campaign you he all these leaks. this is the presidency and serious business and the president-elect has to think about how he will conduct himself where diplomacy is so important. to have this bickering back and forth by his staffers would undercut him and should be the last time he wants. >> there is a lot of chaos out of doors, like wikileaks forever, right. one thing consistent, they are rewarding loyalists, jeff sessi sessions, not worried about the optics of it, rewarding his loyalty. and general flynn and devos on the right rewarding loyalists. do you see any other thing other than rewarding loyalists.
>> for sessions, he voted against the matthew shepherd's act. equal pay for women. he voted against this idea of violence against women act and voted against immigration reform, everything americans believe in. you look at mike flynn, he has been able to show with his tw t tweets over and over he's anti-sim mittic and anti-muslim. you sit back and say is romney the one to pick for secretary of state. he is someone of sound mind, deeply religious. he actually cares about people. this is someone i think a lot of the world would welcome. the irony we're juxtaposed where is the future of cuba going and at the same time, where this is future of america going, we lived this history before. >> the one way that romney would fit in if he were picked for this cabinet is he is a gazillionaire. one of the features of these
picks is many are very wealthy people with pecuniary financial interests in the industries they're overseeing. what do you think of donald trump who ran supposedly as the populist billionaire picking so many of the super rich to be in his cabinet. >> he is certainly not draining the swamp at all. he is filling it with loyalists, millionaires or billionaire, republican establishment. there is nothing there showing thus far from his cabinet picks that there is at all draining of the swamp. i read that political article that they estimated about 35 billion -- $35 billion is what it adds up to the folks he pi picked thus far right now. yeah. he's totally moving away from per usual donald trump what he's promised on the campaign, at least to that populist group of supporters. >> you know, i want to come to
you first, one of the promises trump made on the campaign trail was he would go back to the rubioesque policy on cuba. we also know he tried to do business in cuba. the thing he's most interested in is how to make money and keep making money as president-elect. do you think his own personal financial interests in the past with cuba could cause him to break that promise? >> i think he can't help himself. he has told us from the beginning who he says he is and acts on it. to say he will have a completely blind trust and not do business with any country against his own interest is not the case. look what recently happened in argentina. he put in a phone call and all of a sudden the paperwork for the trump organization got expedite. the same thing happened less than three days ago in russia. it's how he does business. for world leaders, they're not going know the difference. they will see the lines for him are blurred and okay, we are
going to play with you. >> the chances of donald trump businessman starting to think of a trump hotel havana versus trump who made a campaign promise not to do business in cuba. which ends up being more powerful? >> i think that's one of the many examples we have seen. we have known throughout his life, donald trump is very good at promoting himself, taking care of his own business and looking out for his investments. that's what he does. puts his name on everything. the question is will he make that transition as president. and you have to put the american people first. that's his big challenge and will come up every day everywhere. he has to say to the american people, you're number 1 and i'm not number 1. for everything we like or don't like about him, he is good at promoting his name and he has to promote all the american people and has to put himself second. >> our guests will come back. david in particular has been
tweeting epically over the last weeks. one of the things you said was follow the money, follow the money. we will talk to you ability about it later and fixate on whether we should follow the money to havana. coming up, congressman tim ryan is challenging nancy pelosi for the democratic leadership. don't go away. delivers the powerful cold symptom relief you need without the unnecessary additives you don't. store manager: clean up, aisle 4. alka-seltzer plus liquid gels.
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they leave the united states like carrier. what do we end up with? unemployment, tremendous losses and we have none of the benef benefits, so we will establish tari tariffs, that when they do that, there will be consequence, we'll work with them, we'll be nice and be fair but there have to be consequen consequences. >> after reversing course on campaign promises to urge the prosecution of hillary clinton, crane -- drain the swamp in washington and torture terror suspects. donald trump gave a conference on thanksgiving to promise to halt carrier from going to mexico. i am working hard even on thanksgiving to keep carrier from going to mexico. will know soon. >> carrier has had discussions with the incoming administration and we look forward to working together. nothing to announce at this time. trump's outreach to workers in
the manufacturing sector was a big part of his campaign. how will democrats respond? joining me is democrat tim ryan who is vying for house minority leader. >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk about this carrier deal, donald trump saying he can cause them to stay in the united states. someone on your side saying that is not the job for the president or president-elect to go in and essentially muscle a private company where it ought to do business. where do you come down where the president of the united states ought to be talking to individual companies where they work and have their jobs? >> i come from an area that has lost a lot of manufacturing jobs and people say the congressman shaun get involved and i get involved all the time. i think it's all hands on deck. the main point is we need to create an environment in our country where the manufacturing facilities and companies like carrier can make it here.
that may have something to do with tax code, it may have something to do with coordina coordinating our manufacturing base, may have something to do with investments. we need to sit down and say how do we resuscitate manufacturing in the united states because of the spin-off, middle class incomes and mentipensions you ct in those kind of jobs. how do we create the broader environment. it would be hard for the president to deal with every single company looking to leave. he will have a lot more responsibilities, the key is creating environments where those companies can thrive. >> the democrats obviously lost your home state of ohio. we went in a talked to steel workers of lorraine, ohio, people voted twice for barack obama seemed to be leading for donald trump if youe openly for donald trump. whatid democrats do wrong? >> i don't think we talked with them enough, didn't spend enough time. you have to be there.
90% of life is showing up. we need to go to those communities, talk to those people and understand them. i do and a lot of other members of congress do because we represent them. guys like me and women like me who represent these kind of districts, we don't need a focus group, we don't need a poll. we know these people and grew up in these communities. the first thing you have to do is pay attention and then you have to have a decent plan you emphasize that will help put them back to work. how are we going to resuscitate manufacturing? what are the investments we make and how do we steer defense money, which is a lot in gary, indiana and milwaukee, wisconsin, youngstown, ohio, so that money we're spend through the public coffers is putting people back to work in the united states. things like that. that's a broader conversation and the most important thing is being with them. >> let's talk a little bit about your challenge to congresswoman nancy pelosi, to a lot of democrats is seen as the most
powerful woman in the united states, the former speaker of the house. she ran the most successful period in the history of the congress since the 1960s in the passage of things like medicare. she was incredibly successful working with president obama and harry reid. so why would you, after having a woman who got more votes other than barack obama and hillary clinton who won the popular vote by 2 million and yet will not become president, why then replace her, nancy pelosi, that successful with a man, quite fra frankly? why do that? why would that just demoralize democrats? >> i don't think it has anything to do with gender, has to do with the record. i am a nancy pelosi fan myself. she's had a lot of legislative succe successes. we have not had a lot of electoral successes, going back to 2010 republicans spent $65 million and ran 160,000 ads
tying our candidates to nancy pelosi. that sank us in 2010. it worked again in 2014 and we only picked up six seats in this past election. while i don't hold this last election around nancy pelosi because there was a presidential going on. i don't blame nancy pelosi for that. that was the republican strategy and made her very unpopular. >> you did talk about money. she raised 1$124 million in the last cycle. you, sir, raised, i'm not sure how much, in the single digits of millions, nowhere what she was able to raise for the caucus. her district was won by hillary clinton and her state. i believe your district went to donald trump. the question is if you are unable to persuade your district to vote for hillary clinton, she was. if you were unable to raise significant sums for the party, she was, why would you be a more successful party than she would? >> a couple. those are very legitimate
questions i'm happy to answer. first and foremost the issue of winning the elections, she clearly represents san francisco, which is one of the most liberal places in the entire country. of course she will do well there. i'm in a district where it is very very competitive. i did not have control of the message. if i was the leader, you can bet i would be talking about bringing jobs back to the united states. i had control of my message and i got 70% of the vote. what i'm trying to communicate to other members is i can go to any congressional district in the entire country and make that same pitch. when it come s to to money, joy look -- i'm sorry? >> didn't you make that pitch in your own district? >> i was trying, but the national message -- donald trump had a robust economic message. i'm not here to monday morning
quarterback anybody but the presidential election did not have that robust of an economic message. we are perceived in middle america we're tied to wall street, we're tied to big money, we're tied to the donor class. you asked about money. if money was the issue, we would be in the majority right now. hillary clinton would be president. it's not about money, it's about message, it's about the messenger, about focusing on what people are thinking about in their own minds when they're at their kitchen table and the struggles that they have. they see the democratic party as not connected to their needs. they either went and voted for trump or they stayed at home. it's not a money issue. lastly on the money. everyone said paul ryan wasn't going to be able to raise as much as john boehner. when you get into these position, there is a national network of money. i will work my rear end off to go get that money so we can be well-armed and ready to go. it will be the messenger and message. we have to win 40 seats in ohio
and indiana and southern part of the country. >> we're out of time. i think a lot of democrats also want to make sure issues very important to people of color who are the bedrock of the party are not forgotten and thrown off the bus and came through. we have to talk another time. we're out of time. when i talk of working class people, 1-thione-third are peop color. we're all in this together, one family, black, white, middle class, male, female, let's start talking to everybody about an economic message. >> we'll do it again. appreciate it, congressman, tim ryan. the latest in the next hour, the death of fidel castro and what it means to americans and cuban relations going forward. ♪ gaviscon is a proven heartburn remedy that gives you fast-acting, long-lasting relief. it immediately neutralizes acid and only gaviscon helps keep acid down for hours.
i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. during his hour-long conversation with the "new york times" on tuesday, donald trump addressed questions about potential conflicts of interests his business ventures might pose on his presidency. saying the law is on my side meaning the president can't have a conflict of interest. he might voluntarily do something like setting up a blind trust simply because he doesn't care about his business as much as running the country. i guess the billionaire federal income tax evader is a generous sort of guy. joining me now is mr. painter, an ethics lawyer for president bush. explain to us about the immoll
youments clause we are hearing about and whether donald trump could be in violation of it. >> over the thanksgiving holiday i spent some time reading the journal of william mcclay, a senator in the first congress in 1789. he discussed the role of the president in detail and made it clear that americans did not want a president who was above the law. we did not want a king. he also made it clear the e-moll you meants -- emoluments clause prohibited any from withholding trust and confidence problem with the government from accepting a title or president from a foreign government. an emolument is any source of profit from a foreign government. we do not want our politicians, including our president, on the
payroll of foreign governments. that has been a concern since the founding of this country and another concern has been a president who feels that he is above the law. a president is not above the law. that's a point senator mcclay made way back then. americans, whether they're in pennsylvania, his state, minnesota, everywhere else, feel the same way. president trump needs to conform with the constitution if he's going to be a good president. >> i want to play you some sound from back in december 2015, when steven bannon was running the white national list breitbart.com site. this is him having a conversation with donald trump about the country of turkey. >> what do you do with turkey? is turkey a reliable partner? another nato ally. are they a reliable partner? >> i have a little conflict of interest because i have a major major building in istanbul and
it's a tremendous -- called the trump towers. >> the fact a president has a property and business interest in the country of turkey, how could that present a conflict of interest or violation of the emoluments clause? >> this is a source of profit for mr. trump in a foreign country. if there's any foreign government money involved in that enterprise then there would be a violation hor certainly -- or certainly potential violation of the emoluents clause. he cannot be profiting from the foreign government while president of the united states. where would we be today if franklin d. roosevelt himself a very rich man had buildings in frankfurt and large loans outstanding from deutsche bank.
these are conflicts of interest we cannot have for the president of the united states who will need to stand up to foreign governments and sometimes stand up to foreign dictators. we can't have him tied down because he has conflicts of interests from all over the world. >> and debts. >> we hope you will come back. thank you for your time today. up next, the city of miami is reacting to the death of fidel castro. all business saturday is our day to get out and shop small. a day to support our community and show some love for the people we love. and the places we love. the stuff we can't get anywhere else and food that tastes like home. because the money we spend here can help keep our town growing. today is small business saturday. let's shop small for our neighborhood, our town, our home. get up, (all) get together and shop small today.
welcome back to "am joy." we are still following breaking news this morning. cuban president first quarter fc died at the -- president fidel castro died at the age of 90. he was antagonist to 11 u.s. presidents and in 1962 brought them to the brink of nuclear war in the cuban missile crisis. he finally released his hold on
power when he released his control to his brother, raul. celebrations in havana in haem hahaem -- in miami, have been conti e continuing all morning. tell us how you are seeing the people of miami reacting to the death of fidel. >> reporter: it is a celebration to the death of the head of state because they believe as a dictator he destroyed a country they loved and had to leave in many cases. you can see them cheering. some people say they believe this is a symbolic death. not as if fidel castro is suddenly god and things will change in cuba. people have been gathering here, a time people have been waiting for, for a long time, wondering
if their parents and grandparents who had to leave the country or forced to leave the country, whether they would live to see this day and in some cases didn't. san pedro is here. >> hi. >> your initial reaction when you heard the news? >> i started to cry. >> reporter: because? >> the emotion my father would feel. >> reporter: your father is still alive? >> he is 86 years old and his dream was to go back to cuba. up until a year ago i was going to take him and not sure i can do that. he is over the top happy with the american flag in front of his home and cuban flag in front of his home. >> reporter: raising his cane in the air? >> raising his cane in the air. i was born in cuba but came here when i was 4. the emotions that welled up in me i never would have imagined. >> reporter: i'm curious, your father left cuba and why did you leave cuba? >> we all left because of
communism. i know people outside miami don't understand that. the people who lived under cuba have been tortured and murdered, a dictatorship, no freedom of speech. 15 people living in a one bedroom apartment. if the refrigerator dies, you're out of luck. i have not been able to go back to my homeland and hope to go soon. i'm wearing my mom, her name is daisy, not here to see it but with us. >> reporter: when you see the death of fidel castro and joy is with us and knows this community so well, too. does this represent a shift in cuba or is this just symbolic? >> i think it's symbolic. we need major shift in government but for fidel to die and to see us in the streets celebra celebrating, they can't do it as easily as we can here. i hope it will carry us forward to a democratic cuba.
>> reporter: thanks very much. go ahead. >> before you let this wonderful young lady go, if you could ask her, there was a sense over the last few years among younger cuban americans the issue of castro was less potent and a desire for more openness, more open travel, ability to send money home. is she someone that wants to see the cuban embargo dropped or mainta maintained? >> reporter: this is a challe e challenging question for you because you have your father here and you fled cuba at four years old but you're also living in a new -- a new movement within miami where those who didn't actually live under fidel castro but just know the experiences from their parents are asked, should the united states now drop the embargo? we now have flights, moving towards a more open relationship. what do you think 11 administrations later. >> my opinion is more personal and even my dad agrees, we
should lift the embargo. it hasn't worked in 50 plus years. we need to lift it strategically but keeping in mind atrocities aren't happening at the same time we lift the embargo. it has to be strategic and wa h watched. >> reporter: we have a new president stepping into office, your thoughts on that being on his mantle. >> either one that would have won i hope this is at the top of the to-do list. it's very important. an island 90 miles away from the united states. i think it's our duty to protect that island as it is to protect any else going through these challenges. >> reporter: thank you so much for joining us. that is a hot button topic. takes a little bit of guts for you to say that and peek your mind. there is a general sense here that in the cuban american community that, you know, that embargo, even though we started to hear people like pat say as she did, it's been more people
saying they want to hold that hard line because they believe opening relations with cuba in any which way could be considered rewarding the castro regime. that's the last thing folks like pat san pedro or anybody else who had to leave that country feels. joy. >> thank you so much, kerry and please thank pat for us. she was great. let's bring in nbc's kristen welker covering donald trump during his holiday weekend in palm beach, florida. i understand you've gotten a little more of a statement from donald trump since the last time we talked to you. what are we hearing from him and elected officials. >> reporter: it's a much longer broader statement. let me read a piece of it. today the world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decade, fidel castro's legacy is one of firing squads and degradation of human
rights and hopefully today marks a move away from the horror. of course, that is a different one than the statement we heard from president obama in which he essentially talked about the need to move forward in concert with the human people and expressed his condolences to the family of fidel castro. donald trump's very sharply worded in line with statements from lawmakers on capitol hill including ross lay lay -- ros-lehtinen. take a look at what she had to hear. >> a tyrant is dead and we do have a new president. president-elect trump has said he will roll back the concess n concessions president obama made and we are optimistic those sweetheart deals will benefit somehow the people of cuba. that never materialized, just benefits the dictatorship.
>> reporter: this is what we have from senator marco rubio, very critical of president obama's actions in cuba. he released a statement saying the dictator has died but the dictatorship has not. one thing is clear, history will not absolve fidel castro. it will remember him as evil murderous dictator who inflicted evil on his own people and senator ted cruz, fidel castro's death cannot bring back his thousands of victims nor comfort to their families. today we remember them and honor the brave souls who fought the lonely fight against the brutal communist dictatorship. the question is what happens next on the campaign trail. donald trump said he would likely reverse the actions of president obama in cuba to start to normalize relations. it's something he can do because the actions the president took were executive actions. they can be reversed with a pen.
the reality is also this. there has been some trading between the two countries. flights have resyouchld to some extent between these two coun y countries. that's where it gets a little tho thornier. president obama lifted regulations on imports. unwinding all of that gets a little more complicated. donald trump has moderated himself on some key campaign promises like obamacare, for example, torture, for example. will this be another one? that's a question we have yet to answer and are going to. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. joining me now is former miami-dade mayor suarez. thank u very much for being here. i'm glad to get to talk to you this morning. you were the first cuban american mayor of miami. you came into office at a time miami-dade was undergoing a great transformation used to be
majority white and now 67% hispanic, much of that cuban american. talk about how the cuban revolution changed miami itself. >> i also have to say this morning, we were doing a lot of c crying, you know, personally, before i get to the community as a whole, thinking and in particular of my uncle, who was sentenced to 30 years and never made it out of jail. he died in jail and all the other people that have suffered. yeah. the cuban community here has done enormously well. i calculated, joy, one day that the gdp produced the gross economic product produced by exiles is greater than that produced by all the cuban people, which are six times as great, in terms of population. by the way, don't believe the figures that they put out in terms of ppp, purchasing power
parity. that's all nonsense. the cuban people are struggling like never before. that's another thing people forget, the indirect consequence of this tierney more than half a century is cuba went from being the second best economy in latin america and central america to being the second worst. and those people are living in misery. obviously, miami has benefitted. in my own case, this wonderful country accepted me, not only accepted me but allowed me to become a citizen. and to become mayor of the city in 1985. i think at the time you may have been involved in getting me an endorsement from the "miami herald," i'm not sure. >> i was still in denver, colorado at the time. people think i am from miami. >> but we miss you. >> i miss you, too, all those pictures make me want to go
back. there are a lot of people, kerry sanders just talked to a young lady, celebrating her father, 86 years old, was weeping when he heard fidel castro was gone. she even said she believed it's time to end the embargo because it hasn't work, it didn't end up bringing down fidel castro who died in his bed at 90 years old. do you think as somebody sitting on the miami-dade commission right now it would help the people more if there was more economic activity and openness and more travel from the united states to cuba. >> i heard what pat san pedro said. she's a good friend. her arguments make a lot of sense. roughly half of the exile and certainly the younger generation, which by the way, the ones that are celebrating today as you have seen from the images are mostly young people. i don't think i have seen one
single older person out there. if my age is considered old at 67. what pat says is true, we certainly haven't achieved what we'd all like to see on both sides of the argument. half of the people roughly believe we should go to full relati relations, half think we should make some reproach of some sort. the problem is so far what has been done, as reported by people like michael pugny, who were very supportive of strengthening relations with cuba and allowing some amount of interaction has not had the positive effect. the repression has gotten much greater, the number of dissid t dissidents put in jail. they were released soon after that. the message is given you're not allowed to have free expression in cuba. my son today was on television talking about the naming of a street in miami for the ladies in white and took a sign that
the city of miami posted on the street and she said she probably wouldn't be able to take that sample sign of the street named after the ladies in white back to cuba, they wouldn't let her into the country with that. it gives you an idea of the kind of oppression we're talking about. let me tell you, the first shoe has dropped with fidel and the second shoe will drop soon with raul. i look forward to major changes after that. concession should be on both sides as we try to normalize relati relations. >> former mayor, xavier suarez, it has been great to talk to you. for those that don't know the ladies in white are the ones that protested the castro regime. nice to see you. >> same here. up next, why hacking may not be the biggest issue in the a 2016 election.
the purpose here is not to overturn the results of the election. the purpose is to establish v e voting integrity and verify our votes and insure in this election and going forward we can count on the accuracy and security and veracity of our votes. >> throughout the election in 2016. you thought the election of 2016 was over. not just yet. on friday, the wisconsin elections commission announced it would hold a statewide recount of the presidential vote the response of two petitions, one from jill stein for president campaign and the other from de la and said the
commission is preparing to move forward with a request for recount of these candidates. stein has been leading the effort to force a recount of the results. michigan where msnbc has yet to officially call a winner as well as indiana and wisconsin, states that performed wildly different than polling had suggested. to cover the cost of the recounts, stein launched a funds raising effort that raised more than $3 million in less than three days and how votes may have been stolen but not in the way you might think. from "new york" magazine and "the daily beast" and mark alexander and greg palace, whose new film, the best democracy money can buy and democratic strategist. thank you for being here. i will talk to you about what the council for hillary clinton, mark elias posted about an hour ago. because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking
or outside attempts to alter the voting technology we had not plans to exercise this recount itself but now that it has been done, we will take the same approach in the other states as well. what does this mean to you? is he hillary clinton campaign letting jill stein -- >> yes. if there was a legitimate issue, hillary clinton would be moving forward with a recount. jill stein, we talked about it's all about jill stein and the green party and 2020. since it's happening, the hillary clinton has a responsibility and so do the other campaigns all affected by this decision stein has made to file for a recount. >> we spoke about in the opening
the goal is not to overturn the results of the election i think would surprise a lot of clinton fans who thought the goal was to actually overturn the results of the election but insure voter integrity. there has been a russian attempt to sew doubt in the process and the fact they could be hacked would sew doubt. is jill stein not doing the opposite and distracting from voter suppression that took place? >> the concern is whether this undercuts the sense of real urgency of problems where there are laws that can suppress the vote. the voting rights act has been g gutted by the supreme courtened how that can be more effectively enforced and have voting on a saturday. and a lot of things to help us participate more freely. if you talk about conspiracy theory, that can be real enterta entertaining, but does it get to the real root of the issue we want maximum participation by people all across the country.
>> greg, we had you on to talk about urology stone article dated august 24th, titled "the gop stealth war against voters will an anti-fraud program designed by one of trump's advisors deny tens of thousands the right to vote created by someone who is now up for a job in the trump administration. election officials in more than two dozen states have compiled citizens they are registered in more than one state and eligible to be purged from the voting roles obtaining a list of more than 1 million the cross-check against solid democratic constituency with some of those in tight senate races. to your knowledge, was cross-check in use in states like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, north carolina, states that hillary clinton
seemed on track to win but lost? >> in michigan and north carolina the wipeout of hispanic and black voters was massive on cross-check. about 50,000 people lost their votes in michigan because they were accused of voting twice or potentially voting or registe registering twice. nonsense, mostly minorities. that's 10 time s slump's plurality. in michigan at least 35,000 lost their vote there. let's get away from this hacking stuff. i just got off from one of the attorneys that works with jill stein. it's not about russians hacking, not about playing games with the software. it's about machines miscalibr e miscalibrated. about the fact we have about a lf million absentee ballots
thrown out for highly questionable technical reasons, 2.7 so-called provisional bal t ballots mostly african-americans go in, their names purged from the voter roles and thrown in the dumpster and ballots that have a blank and have mark and need to be reviewed. by machines off by 0.01 and need mark on a waballot and 90% turnt in trump areas astonishing and unreal. this is a technical process. forget the hacking stuff. forget the conspiracy stuff. forget russians. this recount and review of the ballots being thrown out and disqualified by the tens of thousands swamps trump's plur plurality in several states. this is the secret of american -- hidden secret of
american democracy, we don't count millions of votes, we literally don't count them. >> i want you to stay on this point. you point out the night after the election this series of tweets in which you compared the exit poll in a state like wisconsin or michigan or pennsylvania with a result. could the throwing out of absentee ballots come been inned with knocking people off the voter rolled combined with not counting their provisionals account for that difference? >> you got it! i think you're the first journalist to get it in america. when you leave an exit poll you say you voted. they don't ask you if your vote counted, did you vote on a provisional ballot? was it thrown out for a technical reason, et cetera? we're talking millions of votes that account for this so-called red shift where the exit polls people said they voted for hillary and came out different than the final count, called disqualified ballots.
that's the real purpose of this so-called recount in most cases to get a ballot counted in the first place. >> that is the point i think a lot of clinton fans are missing. let's go back and look at the margin of victory. wisconsin, 22,000 votes. 10,007 votes in michigan. 7,000 votes in pennsylvania, these are a pit tans. 70th,000 in pennsylvania. are democrats missing the point if they're worried about the machines being hacked and not worried about voter disenfranchiseme menment in the states? >> i think it's right. voter suppression is key here, especially when you look at wisconsin. act 300,000 peoe had issues with voting there.
these are states democrats have won for decades. there should be questions what happened. not just one thing, certainly not hacking. many things, voter suppression, the messaging out there. the fact we had a donald trump as a candidate who really changed kind of the way we do these elections. it's not one thing, it's multiple things. it's certainly not the hacking. nothing proves that to have been the case. >> mark, where was the justice department when eric holder was there about suing states like this. i feel they weren't as aggressive this time. >> i don't know about eric holder. the supreme court shelby county decision really took out the voting rights act at its core and impact on enforcement. there's a long road ahead where we will see a stronger justice
department and stronger voting rights act. that road i think is not likely to change right now but i think the impact of that supreme court decision had a major change on who voted this time around. >> the next attorney general could be jeff sessions who has shown no interest in the right to vote. it's not the russian, y'all, look at the republicans, focus. great journalism there on your behalf. i wish more people would listen to you. thank you, guys. still to come, rob reiner joins me live to talk about trump america. stay with us. changes to medicare plans could impact your healthcare costs. are you getting all the benefits available to you? call healthmarkets and we'll help you find the medicare plan that's right for you. hi, i'm doctor [martin gizzi.] it's a new medicare year. that means more changes ... and more confusion. the key question is: what can you do now, to ensure you get the care you need in the coming year?
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inter the words that have been flung out from his mouth are insane. if he was not a celebrity, if donald trump was not a celebrity, the words that come out of his mouth, you'd see a guy in park, a lunatic in a park on a soapbox and you'd walk right by him. the fact the is a celebrity, all of a sudden, we're all intere interested. >> actor and director rob reiner knows a thing or two about the workings of fame and he made the case in may that celebrity
culture explained in part the rise of donald trump. one of the many public figures voicing opposition to donald trump and his cabinet picks, thank you for agreeing to be on the show. i know you're on california time. you have been speaking my inner thoughts on twitter and everything. you have a new obsession on a film called "lbj" and his journey to become a big political figure and to the white house. i wonder what you think about lbj and all the accomplishment those of great society you have a huge big lash against the civil rights stuff and ending housing discrimination by law, that puts conservatives in power for a generation. the same thing seems to have happened to barack obama. is that sound theory in your mind? >> it is. i think what we've seen is the
civil rights movement was kind of submerged for a long time. you had the civil rights act, the voting rights act, the lov loving versus virginia in 1967. things seemed to be moving in a good direction. you had african-americans taking positions of prominence in the media and movies and television. then you have the election of the first african-american president. it seemed like we were on a glide path towards civility and inclusion and all of those things. and then you see the election of donald trump, the first, you know, supported by the kkk, and it's like, you know, we've never left the '60s, or for that matter, the civil war. all those racist feelings have been kind of submerged, and then donald trump, with a megaphone, starting with the birther issue, gave voice to all these racist feelings and we've seen it bubble to the surface.
interesting you mention lbj because we had a screening recently in washington, d.c. for members of congress, senators and house of representatives and linda johnson, linda bird, the daughter was there, and the expression of acceptance and the eruption after the screening was over, people standing and che cheering, it took on a different meaning than when we first started screening the picture before the election. it was like a completely different experience. people are saying we're back to where we started from. these are the same issues. seems like we're fighting the last battle of the civil war. >> and morph of nixon meets george wallace with a celebrity thrown in comes in after. it is amazing how cyclical history can be. you talked and played a sound
bite when you were on "morning joe" in a may that trump's celebrity allowed him to bypass rules normally in place for a political figure. i have to read a couple other things you said. the president-elect pays $25 million for defrauding people of their life savings but use an e-mail server illegally, that's a story. donald trump embraces the white supremacy. shuts out the media. we're about to is naug rate a pathological racist misogynist wi and -- russia -- do you think they were stymied by the volume he was putting out or his celebrity? >> i think it's both. you look during the primary battle, he got free media. he could call into "morning joe" any time he wanted. they chatted away, like he
wasn't a serious candidate, a celebrity good for ratings. i will never forget what les moon vest said, a friend of mine, donald trump is bad for the country but good for cnbc. that, to me, is -- cbc -- that to me is very very cynical. we used to have an independent free press. i'm making a film now called shock and awe all about the importance of a free and independent press if we're going to have a healthy democracy. it seems like that's gone by the boards ever since media became a profit center -- news became a profit center, all these journalistic precepts are out the window. it's very very scary. we're about to give him a free pass again. he is going to break -- you had a guest on earlier, painter, who said basically he will break the emoluments clause and run afoul of the u.s. occasioconstitution.
what will happen? will we let that go? >> a lot of people are worried there won't be much push back and after a while people throw up their hands. you also talked a lot about a lot of people do who have a love for shows like "seinfeld," the steve bannon thing stick is in the craw of so many people of jewish and color. he's there without comment knowing he came from this white nationalist website and ran it. you talk about the fact it disgusts you and makes you sick, trump's chief strategist is making money off "seinfeld" and bought into it back in the day and used the money to fund a number of his pet projects, truly awful things like clinton cash. isn't it ironic in a way "seinfeld" helps fund attacks on hillary clinton and then becomes the fbi investigation and then becomes the comey letter?
your thoughts. >> my thoughts are we remain in "alice in wonderland." it's just crazy. my wife, michelle reiner, michelle singer at the time, she took the photograph of donald trump that's on the cover of "the art of the deal." she, along with schwartz, is like, we're repenting, somehow we supported this guy, you know, not knowing we were doing this. it's mind-boggling. >> do you think, rob, is hollywood going to eventually participate in the normalization of this? there will be the kennedy center honors and all the things that normally happen and white house correspondents dinner where people are asked to treat him as a fellow celebrity. does hollywood end up giving up to that in the end? >> boy, i hope not. i'm hoping we never make it to the first kennedy center honors
and once he breaks that emoluments clause, which is self-dealing and conflict of interest, hopefully the republicans in the house will have the guts to say these are impeachable offenses and he doesn't make it to that first kennedy center honors. >> we shall see. rob, you're great. we will keep you over for the next part of the show. stand by. coming up at noon, a tale of two statements from donald trump in the death of fidel castro. why was there such a contrast between the first tweet and his formal statement. i love my shop,
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things are going to change, and everybody has been waiting for this moment. it came. >> i'm 34 years old and i've been waiting all my life for this moment. fidel castro has damaged a lot of cubans around the world. there's 11 million cubans in country right now, they don't have food, nothing to eat and they're going through a lot of struggle. >> following the death of fidel castro, an outpouring of emotions is underway in little havana. castro passed away last night at the age of 90 after years of failing health. back with me, maria, and joining us now, dean, and also back with us is rob ryanner and rob, i have to tell you, i'm going to out dean right now because he's fan boying like crazy the way i was when i first got to meet you and almost passed out in the green room when you walked in. he wants to talk to you first. we're going to go around the table. start with dean now that i've embarrassed him. there's this weird thing that happened today on twitter. where you had jesse jackson tweet out about fidel
castro, "in many ways after 1959, the oppressed the world after joined in castro's cause." and people freaked out about that, saying, what are you doing, praising fidel castro? and then people were more hardline, particularly cuban americans tweeting out how much fidel castro was this hoshlg, you know, was a dictator, which he was. so, what do you make of that? it is a weird dichotomy that's developing around his death. >> also interesting that donald trump not analysis a statement that castro is dead but put out a dr that he was a dictator. but then you see vladimir putin saying that fidel castro is an inspiring example for all countries and people. so, you have donald trump's buddy, putin, praising castro in no uncertain terms whatsoever, so i guess, the point of view of trump, he likes his dictators more in a suit with a russian accent, not messy and sloppy looking like castro. >> it is a weird thing because you do have donald trump now at odds, at least the staff written statement, which i presume was written by his team.
there's the pence camp, which parts romney to be the secretary of state, hard line on russia, did they write it? or was it the bannon side? >> i think it's the pro-bannon saying i still need cuba, i still need the cubans in florida to win my reelection every year and i think that -- and two to your point, if you actually look at where everybody was talking about, it shows the complexity of fidel castro, who he was as a man. i hathe opportunity to visit cuba when i was a graduate student a couple years ago, a decade ago. >> couple years ago. >> yeah. and it was interesting because we were there with one of my -- one of the fellow graduate students was a filipino priest and he basically said, if you're from america, cuba seems pretty bleak but if you're from the philippines, where i'm from, it seems promising and what's the d dichotomy. >> it never played out because bernie sanders was not the nominee, but one of the pieces of research waiting in the wing
for him were these old videos of him praising the health care system in cuba, praising venezuela and these sort of socialist governments. this is an affinity for some of the things socialism does for the poor and there's a critique of what communism and and then the racial issues? cuba that don't get talked about. the exiles are a different racial complex than the people back on the island. it's very complex for the left right now, do you think >> it is and i'm probably the only person on the panel who lived through the bay of pigs and the cuban missile crisis and there have been 11 presidents that have been trying to either make amends with castro or fight castro, and it's been an amazing journey, and you know, now you've got obama, who basically started to on the door to castro and normalize relationships and hopefully the embargo will be lifted and if
that happens, maybe they'll have cars that aren't just in the '50s. >> right. exactly and that's -- the u.s. used to control cuba. i think people forget the united states essentially controlled cuba, the mob was very active in cuba, all those hotels were run by americans, and you got to know that people like the people who run marriott and hilton are eager to get back in there and donald trump, who tried to get back in to cuba and run hotels it have i'm half sill sinian. >> we blame you. >> no, donald trump looks at it as a business opportunity and in a discussion with president obama, i heard from some friends in the white house, cuba came up and the business opportunities of cuba actually came up in the discussions so i think you're going to see donald trump would love to show his condolences by building a massive trump hotel in havana for the people to make money and say he's doing it to help them. >> yeah. and i mean, we'll go around the horn. we'll start with rob. on a scale of one to ten, where zero is absolutely never going to happen, ten is complete dead
certainty, the chances of donald trump negotiating trump hotel havana in the next 18 honts. you, sir. >> i'm going to say that if he stays in office, the chances are that it will be a 10 and it will be in the next ten minutes. >> okay. maria. >> i would agree. i would say a ten and he's literally tweeting about it right now. direct messaging raul castro. >> dm versus tweet, ask anthony weiner, there's a difference. >> more importantly, harry met sally and princess bride, i think he's going to do it and there was a great quote today, castro is the biggest liar, the biggest ego of any cuban politician, history will not absolve him and it's like he's talking about donald trump so i think they have something in common these two. >> "the princess bride" is the greatest rob reiner movie ever
made. have fun storming the castle. thank you very much. we appreciate you, rob. we obviously are all super fans. i know you're embarrassed. thank you for being on my show. rob reiner, maria teresa, we'll talk to trey later. you might want to hang on the sicilian part over the next four years. that's the part you want to emphasize. that's our show for today. be sure to join us tomorrow when "a.m. joy" returns at 10:00 a.m. eastern. coming up next, more on the death of fidel castro and what it means for cuba's relationship with the u.s. more news. she's right there. she's there, dancing. sneak around. there she is. are you on medicare? do you have the coverage you need? open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time to get on a path that could be right for you... with plans including aarp medicarecomplete insured through unitedhealthcare. call today or go online to enroll. these medicare advantage plans can combine your
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